Piers Morgan repeatedly called a Christian doctor a bigot during a segment on the “Good Morning Britain” television show on Tuesday.
Dr. David Mackereth rejects transgender ideology and therefore refuses to use pronouns that conflict with an individual’s biological gender. Via the BBC:
Speaking outside the tribunal in Birmingham, Dr Mackereth, 56, said: "Last year I was training to do medical assessments for the Department for Work and Pensions and because of my Christian convictions I felt I couldn't use pronouns - the words 'he' and 'she' - in an arbitrary manner.
"I said that in good conscience I couldn't do that. The Department for Work and Pensions took some time to think about it and decided then that I wasn't fit to do the job because of, I would say, my Christian convictions.
"So I am coming to court today because I want the right to practise medicine as a Christian doctor in the way that I always have."
During his segment on “Good Morning Britain” Dr. Mackereth noted the dramatic cultural shift and said that he would consider it dishonest to use pronouns that do not reflect the reality of a person’s actual gender:
“Well, I think we have to start by recognizing how important pronouns are within our language. This is a complete change in the way we use them. And even if we leave the religious factor out, we have a problem that by changing the way we use pronouns, we completely change who we are as a society and who we are as people. And it doesn’t just affect a small group of people, it affects every single one of us. But as a Christian, I believe that to use pronouns in that way is dishonest, and I cannot do that in a good conscience.”
When Morgan asked why he would not just refer to an individual who does a male-to-female transition by female pronouns, Dr. Mackereth explained that he does not believe an individual can transform into the opposite sex.
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“The answer is I don’t believe that a person can change sex, I don’t believe a person can change gender, and that sex and gender are the same thing,” he declared.
Morgan then proceeded to assert that the doctor is a bigot.
When Dr. Mackereth asked Morgan to provide a definition for the word bigot, Morgan defined a bigot as, “somebody woefully intolerant of people who go through an extraordinarily long and painful transition process, both physically and psychologically, and they do it because fundamentally they believe they were born in the wrong body, the wrong gender, the wrong sex…” Morgan then asked the doctor, “shouldn’t you just find it in your Christian heart, given that you’re such a Christian, to actually respect that?”
Dr. Mackereth pointed out that under that definition, Christianity would be categorized as bigoted since Scripture clearly teaches that God created two distinct genders.
“Well, the Bible tells us that God has made us male and female, he made us for his own glory,” Dr. Mackereth said. “If I’m a bigot, then the whole of Christianity throughout history is bigotry. I don’t believe that. I believe Christianity is the truth of God.”
“The Bible says if you look at people in an adulterous manner, you should be stoned to death,” Morgan said. “Do you agree with that?”
Morgan also asked, “Given your, your self-righteousness, do you wander around the streets of, of your city now looking for people who are looking at people in a lustful way and stone them to death? And if not why not?”
Dr. Mackereth disputed Morgan’s characterization of him as self-righteous and said that he bears the righteousness of Christ. He noted that like all people, he too has sinned and he does not claim superiority over others.
“You haven’t established that I am self-righteous, but I’m a sinner saved by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ, so I carry the righteousness of Jesus Christ. I long for the same thing for everybody that I have, which is to know Him. That includes people of every kind of background,” he explained. “But you’re right, if we were to apply the Bible literally without taking its context every one of us could be stoned to death, every one of us has broken God’s commandments. I’m not saying I’m better than anybody.”
When Morgan asked Dr. Mackereth whether he has ever looked upon someone with lust, the doctor laughed and admitted that he had, to which Morgan responded, “applying the letter of the law and applying the law of the Bible you should now stone yourself to death.”
Morgan referred to the doctor’s views as “so intolerant." Transgender broadcaster India Willoughby then claimed that “the Bible is full of contradictions,” pointing to a law against consuming shellfish.
And in Willoughby’s view, God would accept transgenderism.
“You know, I think God would actually be really cool about transgender people. If Jesus came back he’d probably look like Conchita Wurst. He wouldn’t be changing wine into water, he’d be changing men into women, women into men,” Willoughby said.
Piers Morgan then resumed lecturing Dr. Mackereth:
“And my final point to you David really is that you’ve already accepted that because of your own sinful lustful thoughts you have to stone yourself to death. So it may be, it may be that you should also reconsider, given I presume you don’t want to stone yourself to death.”
Dr. Mackereth jumped back in while Morgan was talking to explain his position:
“No, I said I have to go to Jesus Christ, be cleansed in the blood of Jesus Christ, that’s what saves me. That’s what will save anybody.”
When Dr. Mackereth asked Morgan how this tied into the issue of transgenderism, Morgan replied:
“Because you are citing the Bible to defend your bigotry,” and he added, “we’ve all moved on from large swathes of the Bible, we’re allowed to evolve and move on.”
Dr. Mackereth asked whether Morgan was going to discuss the issue or just continue haranguing him for his Christian beliefs.
He suggested they should engage “in a civil manner” and said, “I don’t think you ranting at me is doing any good.”
“You know what, I think we’re done here,” Morgan said. “Let’s get David some stones.”
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